"The idea that God could only forgive our sins by having his son tortured to death as a scapegoat is surely, from an objective point of view, a deeply unpleasant idea. If God wanted to forgive us our sins, why didn't he just forgive them? Why did he have to have his son tortured?"
Pro: Forgiveness
Brief Overview: One of the most profound benefits afforded by the Christian faith is the gift of forgiveness. This gift was made possible through Jesus’s death, nailed to a cross. But, why do I personally need forgiveness? To discover what forgiveness is, why I might need it, and how to obtain it, - Click - on buttons below (Complete Overview or "Display by Category/All" or Author Name)
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I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance.
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There is no sin except stupidity.
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The very concept of sin comes from the Bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?
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Once the sin against God was the greatest sin; but God died, and these sinners died with him. To sin against the earth is now the most dreadful thing, and to esteem the entrails of the unknowable higher than the meaning of the earth.
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We do not need the forgiveness of God, but of each other and of ourselves.
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Whether it be a lamb having its throat cut ritually, or a Messiah nailed to a cross and "dying for your sins". Somebody should tell all of Yahweh's followers, Jews and Christians, that there is no such thing as a free lunch.
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So God sent Jesus here to die for our sins, but we still need to pray and ask forgiveness for our sins? Why didn't he just kill the devil and do away with the problem?
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The whole image is that eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions Gods infinite love. Thats the message were brought up with isnt it? Believe or die! Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options.
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If only I wasn't an atheist, I could get away with anything. You'd just ask for forgiveness and then you'd be forgiven. It sounds much better than having to live with guilt.
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From my point of view I would ban religion completely, even though there some wonderful things about it
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We do not wish to be forgiven, but we wish Christians to so act that we will not have to forgive them.
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We need no messiah and no sterile conception of a god menacing us with hell and purgatory.
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Humanity can save itself, it needs no Messiah.
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Believing there's no God means I can't really be forgiven except by kindness and faulty memories.
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"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
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The original sin was not in eating of the forbidden fruit, but in planting the tree that bore the fruit.
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Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense.
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